Who is Bal Thackeray?

[daxie]

Originally Posted by Affers

erm, you are penalising him by boycotting his movie.

again, so why are you boycotting SRK's film?

i would any never would have seen this movie as I am fatigued by this NRI; misunderstood Muslim, Karan Johar genre (As seen in New York and Kurbaan - both of which I saw);

I disagree with his stance and thus at this stage am unfavorable disposed towards him and do not want to see his movie.....difference between me and the SS goons is that I am not preventing (niether advocating) anyone who wants to see the movie from seeing the movie.

Having said all that the only reason I might actually see the movie is to penalize the SS goons (you see penalizing can work both ways)

[daxie]

Originally Posted by guybrush

I find it amusing that you believe vajpayee to be a potential peacemaker, when Pakistanis find it somewhat hard to trust him due to his attachment with BJP and its core organizations.

Re:mush. A number of indian politicians, some of whom have recently been in power, seem to think otherwise. They have been on record saying that mush was the best guy to talk peace with and not taking things further during his time was a golden opportunity that was lost.

well I have read notes by several Pak journalists pointing that Vajpayee did a lot for moving forward the Ind-Pak relations precisely because he was from the BJP (the Nixon-China theory); probably after the Rajiv-Benazir era, Vajpayee and Sharif did the most in taking Ind-Pak relationship to a slightly peaceful level. That's my understanding.
They are comparing Mush with Zardari and the general chaos around the President's office in Pak. The reason they do not move ahead with Mush because he was the one who went behind the elected PMs back to sabotage the peace moves that were being drafted in 1999.

[guybrush]

Vajpayee and Sharif did the most in taking Ind-Pak relationship to a slightly peaceful level.

Taking things to peaceful levels?
Please remind me who conducted nuclear tests for their respective countries.

[kkzs]

this is probably for the chat room but i don't see any progress on Mumbai case

retarded attitude, pakistan have seen no movement on the kashmir issue, the kashmiri's have seen no movement on their self determination - yet these things have never affected cricket have they?

[Sanjeev]

Originally Posted by kkzs

retarded attitude, pakistan have seen no movement on the kashmir issue, the kashmiri's have seen no movement on their self determination - yet these things have never affected cricket have they?

if THERE IS NO PROGRESS ON KASHMIR THE PAKISTANIS HAVE A RIGHT TO DO MUMBAI TYPE STUFF?

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?

ALSO THE KASHMIR ISSUE IS DOUBLE EDGED. BOTH SIDES HAVE A POSITION. TO IGNORE THAT WOULD BE DISASTROUS.

NEITHER CHINA NOR USA CAN HELP PAKISTAN VISA-VIS INDIA AND VICE VERSA.

1.FIRST THE BLAME GAME HAS TO STOP.

2. TERRORISM SHOULD NO LONGER BE A TOOL IN THE PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT'S THINKING

3.PAKISTANIS SHOULD ALSO REMEMBER THAT BANGLADESH WAS CREATED BY PAKISTAN AND BHUTTO-YAHYA'S STUBBORNNESS TO ALLOW mUJIB TO BE THE PRIME MINISTER.
I KNOW BANGLADESH IS WHAT MOVES PAKISTANIS AGAINST INDIA. MPRE THAN KASHMIR WHICH IS SEEN AS A RETRIBUTION.


THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES WHO WANT PEACE.

PEACE WOULD MEAN PAKISTAN BECOMING ONE OF THE RICHEST NATIONS OF THE WORLD AND ONE WHO WOULD BE IN THE FOREFRONT OF THE NATIONS LEADING THE WORLD.

[guybrush]

As usual ped starts nicely enough by proposing a stop to the blame game. Then does his usual 180 by coming up with "Pak needs to do this, pak needs to do that"... :rolleyes:

Its time indians also start thinking what they themselves need to do to improve relations, instead of just making demands from others. Remember that friendship is not extortion.

[guybrush]

Its exactly because of this "galli ka daada" attitude that India has such lousy ties with all its south asian neighbors. FFS even Pak, despite its bitter history with bangladesh, has better ties with them than india.

[Sanjeev]

Originally Posted by guybrush

As usual ped starts nicely enough by proposing a stop to the blame game. Then does his usual 180 by coming up with "Pak needs to do this, pak needs to do that"... :rolleyes:

Its time indians also start thinking what they themselves need to do to improve relations, instead of just making demands from others. Remember that friendship is not extortion.

I say pak has to do this. you have to say India has to do this. we will meet somewhere in the middle

[guybrush]

I say pak has to do this. you have to say India has to do this. we will meet somewhere in the middle

The problem is that when pak comes up with its "india needs to do..." list, Indians break any ongoing discussions and even backtrack from their given word.

Remember Sharm-el-Sheikh? Indian PM acknowledged in the joint statement that trouble in baluchistan is an issue between the two countries which needs to be addressed, but subsequently back-tracked from that OFFICIALLY SIGNED statement after reaching home. :laugh:

[Sanjeev]

say then i will say. no one will back track

[kkzs]

ALSO THE KASHMIR ISSUE IS DOUBLE EDGED. BOTH SIDES HAVE A POSITION. TO IGNORE THAT WOULD BE DISASTROUS

yes funnily enough india, the quasi democracy do not want to hold a plebiscite and pakistan, the nation that flirts with democracy now and again does.

so india's position is to suppress democracy and hold onto kashmir regardless of human rights and the will of the people

whilst pakistan has been trying to push a plebiscite forward.

[westy]

yes funnily enough india, the quasi democracy do not want to hold a plebiscite.

whenever this is emerged in these discussons concerning kashmir,i have always thought it incongrous that this largest democracy rejects the idea of allowing the will of the people to be realised through the form of free and fair elections.
why does not india accede to such.
maybe uz migt be the one to provide the untainted answer or the one with the less spin.the truly honest to goodness answer that tells it like it us without seking to score a goal.

[Sanjeev]

westy its complicated. both sides have a strong point.

[Sanjeev]

Originally Posted by kkzs

yes funnily enough india, the quasi democracy do not want to hold a plebiscite and pakistan, the nation that flirts with democracy now and again does.

so india's position is to suppress democracy and hold onto kashmir regardless of human rights and the will of the people

whilst pakistan has been trying to push a plebiscite forward.

KKZS we will resolve the issue soon. so relax . there will be voting though I dare say you will be surprised with the results.

The problem is all you are hearing is the voices of the prominent guys who are on the pay roll of you know who.

but be positive and be open to friendship. remember the real issue for you guys is bangladesh you guys havent forgiven us.

but remember banglo crisis was your own making. if bhutto and yahya had accepted mujib as pm banglo would have been today east pakistan

[kkzs]

forgiven you for bangladesh?


that was a favour

[taps]

Im not a Shive Sena supporter and I do not subscribe to their views or methods..I have lived in Bombay in the 80ies and as a South Indian, faced some of their anger personally..That being said, in a democracy, ppl are free to vent their feelings however misguided they maybe. The challenge is to ensure that the government and the judicial branch step in when the boundary is crossed. I do not think there is ever a precendance of ShivSena ever harming anybody cricket related. The ppl of Mumbai are too cricket loving and the Sena folks know it.